Why Not Venus?
by zdw on 4/24/2026, 5:01:10 AM
https://mceglowski.substack.com/p/why-not-venus
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by: rkagerer
I'll shamelessly resurface a comment I made a few years back.<p>There's a school of thought which views Venus as a better colonization candidate than Mars, and as early as the 70's scientists envisioned floating cities. From <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus</a>:<p><i>In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 kilometres (31 mi) above the Venusian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the Solar System beyond Earth itself – a pressure of approximately 1 atm or 1000 hPa and temperatures in the 0 to 50 °C (273 to 323 K; 32 to 122 °F) range. Protection against cosmic radiation would be provided by the atmosphere above, with shielding mass equivalent to Earth's.</i><p>Being able to wear a simple breathing mask while working outside instead of a full pressure suit is a boon. Of course high windspeeds and the constant bombardment of acid rain would be a problem.<p>I could imagine Venus one day being an exotic, cloud-top paradise for the rich (reminiscent of BioShock Infinity) that's expensive to maintain, and Mars a brute workhorse that eventually displaces it as a more resilient habitat over the very long term (eg. after terraforming).
4/24/2026, 9:21:24 AM
by: chistev
I'm currently reading (Re-reading actually) Cosmos by Carl Sagan, and in a chapter where he talked about Venus and how hot Venus is (Venus is actually the hottest planet in the solar system despite Mercury being closer to the Sun - although this wasn't mentioned in the book), and how the space probes that were sent there met an ugly fate, he had this interesting footnote which I want to share -<p>"In this stifling landscape, there is not likely to be anything alive, even creatures very different from us. Organic and other conceivable biological molecules would simply fall to pieces. But, as an indulgence, let us imagine that intelligent life once evolved on such a planet. Would it then invent science? The development of science on Earth was spurred fundamentally by observations of the regularities of the stars and planets. But Venus is completely cloud-covered. The night is pleasingly long - about 59 Earth days long but nothing of the astronomical universe would be visible if you looked up into the night sky of Venus. Even the Sun would be invisible in the daytime; its light would be scattered and diffused over the whole sky - just as scuba divers see only a uniform enveloping radiance beneath the sea. If a radio telescope were built on Venus, it could detect the Sun, the Earth and other distant objects. If astrophysics developed, the existence of stars could eventually be deduced from the principles of physics, but they would be theoretical constructs only. I sometimes wonder what their reaction would be if intelligent beings on Venus one day learned to fly, to sail in the dense air, to penetrate the mysterious cloud veil 45 kilometers above them and eventually to emerge out the top of the clouds, to look up and for the first time witness that glorious universe of Sun and planets and stars."<p>. . .<p>Carl Sagan is an amazing author, and I've shared the famous excerpt from his book Pale Blue Dot multiple times before - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47565381">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47565381</a><p>A few mentions of his books in my blog post here - <a href="https://www.rxjourney.net/30-things-i-know" rel="nofollow">https://www.rxjourney.net/30-things-i-know</a>
4/24/2026, 9:02:08 AM
by: beloch
"Even the gravity on Venus (0.91g) is homelike, which means that airship habitats, sensors, smoke detectors, toilets, and all the rest can be developed on Earth instead of forcing us to build a space station that can simulate Martian gravity."<p>-----------<p>Imagine living on an airship high above the Earth, with the hard rule that you can <i>never</i> land. You must be entirely self-sufficient save for a tiny amount of material delivered infrequently. Now imagine trying to land on that airship from orbit or get back into orbit (and beyond) from that airship. None of this is easy <i>here on Earth</i>.<p>A mission that merely orbited Venus and returned without attempting to muck about with airships <i>might</i> be an intermediate step on the way to Mars. Trying to get closer to the surface than orbit would make things a <i>lot</i> harder.
4/24/2026, 8:42:39 AM
by: Kaibeezy
Colonization of Venus, Geoffrey A. Landis, NASA Glenn Research Center, 2003<p><a href="https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20030022668/downloads/20030022668.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20030022668/downloads/20...</a>
4/24/2026, 7:58:04 AM
by: guenthert
The average lifetime of probes landing on Venus counting in <i>minutes</i> might have something to do with that?<p>"So that’s the bad part. But once you move past it, you start to notice that everything gets easier on Venus."<p>If wishes were fishes ...
4/24/2026, 8:46:13 AM
by: hfjtnrkdkf
> Missions to the clouds of Venus are either going to find life or some kind of brand new chemistry, either of which will be a breakthrough discovery in planetary science. There’s basically a guaranteed Nobel prize waiting in the skies of Venus for whoever wants to collect it.<p>why dont they send a probe to scoop up some venus air and bring it back? seems much easier than going with humans around the moon
4/24/2026, 8:46:27 AM
by: dvh
> The phosphine detection was controversial when it was first announced in 2022, but it has since been corroborated by multiple measurements.<p>I thought it was resolved as SO2, not phosphine
4/24/2026, 8:09:24 AM
by: OutOfHere
Venus is in what I call the thermolocks zone, not the goldilocks zone. The thermolocks zone is optimal for solar power and perhaps therefore for computation, although heatsink radiators are essential.<p>The atmosphere of Venus in particular is very resource rich, and so it would be incredible to mine it for heavy use by a space economy. This mining is supposed to use free solar power. All of this is a job for robots, not humans.
4/24/2026, 9:22:52 AM
by: XorNot
The biggest problem is it's spin rate: a Venus day is 116 days Earth days or so.<p>Being completely tidally locked would be better because near the transition zones the permanent sun would make solar power and plants quite productive.<p>But an ecosystem where the planet spends most of the year in darkness or dim light?<p>Basically it's relatively easy to redirect comets to provide gas and liquids for the surface of Mars: that's technically demonstrated technology now.<p>There's almost no plausible way we could add momentum to Venus to give it a more reasonable day night cycle (I have seen some suggestion that shearing asteroids into it might be possible, but just the magnitude of momentum you're trying to add is staggering).
4/24/2026, 8:47:04 AM
by: aaron695
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4/24/2026, 9:05:13 AM